I've got an IQ of 136, Jon.

[Future Tense]

When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".

Too funny.

I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?

Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?

IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.

By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

[Greg Henry]

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

Isn't that a qualitative measurement as opposed to a quantitative one?

[J.T.]

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.

IQ tests have shit like puzzles on them - figuring out the next in a
progression of pictures or numbers, for example. The idea is that you don't
need a lot of education to take an IQ test because it tests the agility of
your mind, not anything you should have learned in school. Lots of people
with small vocabularies and a marginal understanding of academic subjects
could have IQ's at genius or above. Your IQ is a basic measure of how
efficient of a processor your brain is - education gives it the material to
process. I think Tony does show signs of high intelligence. Not only is he
adept at recognizing causality of situations and the way pieces fit into a
greater puzzle, but his internal struggles arise from having a strongly
analytical mind - someone of lower intelligence probably wouldn't think
twice about the shit that eats Tony up.

[Islander]

Post by Greg Henry

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

Isn't that a qualitative measurement as opposed to a quantitative one?

Despite what most people think , a mob boss has to be quite intelligent to
keep track of all the dealings percentages, and numbers games ....

[rcb30]

Post by Islander
Despite what most people think , a mob boss has to be quite intelligent to
keep track of all the dealings percentages, and numbers games ....

As my wife (and probably others in this ng) has pointed out, Tony and
several others must have an especially good head for numbers, seeing as how
they never even rely on speed dial and instead reel off the cell number of
any one of a couple dozen associates from memory.

rcb

[Doug Cunningly]

Post by rcb30

Post by Islander
Despite what most people think , a mob boss has to be quite
intelligent to keep track of all the dealings percentages, and
numbers games ....

As my wife (and probably others in this ng) has pointed out, Tony and
several others must have an especially good head for numbers, seeing
as how they never even rely on speed dial and instead reel off the
cell number of any one of a couple dozen associates from memory.
rcb

That's cause the numbers would be evidence if they were on a found phone,
no?

[Jeff George]

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:43:08 -0500, "rcb30"

Post by rcb30

Post by Islander
Despite what most people think , a mob boss has to be quite intelligent to
keep track of all the dealings percentages, and numbers games ....

As my wife (and probably others in this ng) has pointed out, Tony and
several others must have an especially good head for numbers, seeing as how
they never even rely on speed dial and instead reel off the cell number of
any one of a couple dozen associates from memory.

Plus the fact that they can dial any random series of numbers when
pretending to make a phone call in front of the camera.


Jeff George

Would you like to see the Dope on the end of a rope?
Do you think he's a Chimp?

[CliffB]

Post by Greg Henry

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

Isn't that a qualitative measurement as opposed to a quantitative one?

You mean squalitationary verses quanderylateral mensation?

[L H]

Yeah ,,,, another SPARKS steak house ALA john gotti, to paul castelano
--
________________________________

"You set Your clock at Night ,
I however set my GLOCK at night!!"

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

[Jay Cee]

i hafe and IG of 135 to. their are a lots of my freinds that do to and we
don,t make a big deel about it.

jay cee

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

[Sampson sisters]

Date: 6/7/2004 1:22 PM Central
i hafe and IG of 135 to. their are a lots of my freinds that do to and we
don,t make a big deel about it.

er...right jay cee. LOL

[Remi3270]

<<i hafe and IG of 135 to. their are a lots of my freinds that do to and we
don,t make a big deel about it.

jay cee>>

you had me giggling like a little girl.

[Jeff George]

Post by Remi3270
<<i hafe and IG of 135 to. their are a lots of my freinds that do to and we
don,t make a big deel about it.
jay cee>>
you had me giggling like a little girl.

Can you record that and put it on the 'net somewhere?


Jeff George

Would you like to see the Dope on the end of a rope?
Do you think he's a Chimp?

[abcedminded]

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

The concept of a "genius" level IQ "measurement" is not a scientific
concept. Educational institutions might take the cut off of 130 (two
standard deviations above the mean) for admittance to a "gifted" class,
but, technically speaking, the highest measurements are described as
being "very superior". There is no "gifted" classification.

There are a number of different IQ measures--and the main one does
include range of knowledge obtainable through educational benefit--
but there is considerable debate about intelligence as a psychological
construct and just what IQ measures measure. They do predict
academic accomplishment fairly well.

An IQ of 136 (assuming an accepted measure like the WAIS and not
measures that try to simply estimate WAIS scores) can only be
obtained by one sharp cookie, and and a person in Tony S position
wouldn't be there without sharp intellectual skills. A thug's personality
problems (narcissism and psychopathy) and impulsive behaviours--
these aren't related to measured intelligence--are more likely to do him
in. Smart people can do awfully stupid things.

Finally, for future reference, when someone tells you they have an IQ of
over 180 and that it's been measured, you can simply think "bullshit".
Accepted measurement practices have an upper limit on obtainable IQ,
and most people don't know what that number is.

Now I'll just sit back and wait to be called an asshole.... That's what
usually happens around here, doesn't it? Or the Magnificent Bastard
will start a thread predicting everyone's IQ on the basis of an irrelevant
question.... like the kind of car they drive ;).

[HudsonGrl]

Subject: I've got an IQ of 136, Jon.
Date: 6/7/2004 11:29 AM Central Daylight Time
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.

gee, ya think?

Hudson

[Islander]

Post by HudsonGrl

Subject: I've got an IQ of 136, Jon.
Date: 6/7/2004 11:29 AM Central Daylight Time
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.

gee, ya think?
Hudson

Whats the ranges of IQ... Whats a number for a dumbass , average, or smart
guy ?

[Jeff George]

Post by Islander
Whats the ranges of IQ... Whats a number for a dumbass , average, or smart
guy ?

Mine is 165, but I've always been a genius. Except when I'm drunk.


Jeff George

Would you like to see the Dope on the end of a rope?
Do you think he's a Chimp?

[J.T.]

Post by Jeff George

Post by Islander
Whats the ranges of IQ... Whats a number for a dumbass , average, or smart
guy ?

Mine is 165, but I've always been a genius. Except when I'm drunk.

Mine is 210. No seriously, I'm not lying to you guys!

[Jeff George]

Post by J.T.

Post by Jeff George

Post by Islander
Whats the ranges of IQ... Whats a number for a dumbass , average, or

smart

Post by Jeff George

Post by Islander
guy ?

Mine is 165, but I've always been a genius. Except when I'm drunk.

Mine is 210. No seriously, I'm not lying to you guys!

That's good. I hate liars.

Regards,
J

[Vince McGowan]

Post by J.T.

Post by Jeff George

Post by Islander
Whats the ranges of IQ... Whats a number for a dumbass , average, or

smart

Post by Jeff George

Post by Islander
guy ?

Mine is 165, but I've always been a genius. Except when I'm drunk.

Mine is 210. No seriously, I'm not lying to you guys!

Please restate that in base 10.

[Phoenix]

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".

I think that really is Tony's IQ. Remember the big deal he made about
Tony B's IQ, how the Sisters went all nutty for his 158 score?

We know now that Tony's IQ was actually quite high, but eclipsed by his
cousin's while they were growing up. Tony B was the gifted kid, Tony S
was a lazy mook with a mother who never stopped reminding him what a
fuck up he was.

[Except! Remember when Janice was cleaning out Livia's things and she
had kept all Tony's school records, notes of accomplishments, grade
school art, yet Livia didn't save a thing for the girls?]

With that one statement to Sac, we know another bit of garbage that Tony
had to process and destroy (Waste Management!) as a part of his
complicated internal struggles. After killing Tony B, Tony S is now the
gifted one. The competition has been destroyed.

bel

Post by Future Tense
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

[Richard3to16]

IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an excellent test
taker. Nothing more.

[Userb3]

Post by Richard3to16
IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an
excellent test taker. Nothing more.

Formula for boasting under the guise of seeming modest:

<insert quality here> is/are BS. How do I know? My <insert quality here>
is <insert desireable level>. It means that I am <insert milder way of
stating quality level>. Nothing more.

For instance:

Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals
are big. Nothing more.

Net worth is BS. How do I know? I'm worth 10 million in cash. It means I
have a lot of money. Nothing more.

etc.

[Future Tense]

LOLOLOL.

Post by Userb3

Post by Richard3to16
IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an
excellent test taker. Nothing more.

<insert quality here> is/are BS. How do I know? My <insert quality here>
is <insert desireable level>. It means that I am <insert milder way of
stating quality level>. Nothing more.
Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals
are big. Nothing more.
Net worth is BS. How do I know? I'm worth 10 million in cash. It means I
have a lot of money. Nothing more.
etc.

[Richard3to16]

Post by Richard3to16
IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an excellent

test taker. Nothing more.

<insert quality here> is/are BS. How do I know? My <insert quality here> is

<insert desireable level>. It means that I am <insert milder way of stating
quality level>. Nothing more.

Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals are

big. Nothing more.

Net worth is BS. How do I know? I'm worth 10 million in cash. It means I have

a lot of money. Nothing more.

Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor, isn't it
anonymous Userb3?

[Userb3]

Post by Richard3to16

Post by Richard3to16
IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an excellent

test taker. Nothing more.

<insert quality here> is/are BS. How do I know? My <insert quality here> is

<insert desireable level>. It means that I am <insert milder way of
stating quality level>. Nothing more.

Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals are

big. Nothing more.

Net worth is BS. How do I know? I'm worth 10 million in cash. It means I have

a lot of money. Nothing more.
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor,
isn't it anonymous Userb3?

Did I touch a nerve?

[Bill]

Post by Userb3

Post by Richard3to16

Post by Richard3to16
IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an excellent

test taker. Nothing more.

<insert quality here> is/are BS. How do I know? My <insert quality here> is

<insert desireable level>. It means that I am <insert milder way of
stating quality level>. Nothing more.

Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals are

big. Nothing more.

Net worth is BS. How do I know? I'm worth 10 million in cash. It means I have

a lot of money. Nothing more.
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor,
isn't it anonymous Userb3?

Did I touch a nerve?

I'm going to have to side with Richard. My IQ is 179. my penis is 12
inches. nothing more.

[Richard3to16]

Post by Userb3

Post by Richard3to16
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor,
isn't it anonymous Userb3?

Did I touch a nerve?

No. Your imperceptiveness and lack of humor is amazing though.

[Vince McGowan]

Post by Richard3to16

Post by Richard3to16
IQ tests are BS. How do I know? My IQ is 177. It means I am an excellent

test taker. Nothing more.

<insert quality here> is/are BS. How do I know? My <insert quality here> is

<insert desireable level>. It means that I am <insert milder way of stating
quality level>. Nothing more.

Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals are

big. Nothing more.

Net worth is BS. How do I know? I'm worth 10 million in cash. It means I have

a lot of money. Nothing more.
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor, isn't it
anonymous Userb3?

IIRC Userb3 is female & a lawyer, so "dickless" is meaningless and she's
probably not poor.

[Userb3]

Post by Vince McGowan

Post by Richard3to16
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor,
isn't it anonymous Userb3?

IIRC Userb3 is female & a lawyer, so "dickless" is meaningless and
she's probably not poor.

Sorry to say, you have me confused with someone else.

[Vince McGowan]

Post by Userb3

Post by Vince McGowan

Post by Richard3to16
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor,
isn't it anonymous Userb3?

IIRC Userb3 is female & a lawyer, so "dickless" is meaningless and
she's probably not poor.

Sorry to say, you have me confused with someone else.

Sorry

[Userb3]

Post by Userb3

Post by Vince McGowan

Post by Richard3to16
Pretty much everything is suspect when you're dim, dickless and poor,
isn't it anonymous Userb3?

IIRC Userb3 is female & a lawyer, so "dickless" is meaningless and
she's probably not poor.

Sorry to say, you have me confused with someone else.

Sorry

No harm, no foul.

[Richard3to16]

Post by Userb3
Sorry to say, you have me confused with someone else.

Sorry

While we're all feeling sorry, me too.

[mycroftt]

Post by Userb3
Penis size is BS.How do I know? I have a 12" penis. It means my genitals
are big. Nothing more.

So would you consider trading 70 or 80 of my IQ points for...

[ActiveVerb]

And of course Tony might have been BSing. Might know even know his IQ.

<<When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".

Too funny.

I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?

Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?

IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.

By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.
<<

[J.T.]

Post by Future Tense
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

"Street smarts" is a poor man's euphamism for intelligence. Does nobody
recognize the distinction between "intelligence" and "knowledge?" Any
asshole can sit all day in a library or classrom and get knowledge. It
doesn't take a particularly sharp mind to memorize things, and over time
start matching them together in useful patterns - hell I've seen people
getting PhD's who don't know their elbows from their assholes (I work at a
university, you'd be amazed what some money and ass-kissing will get you in
the academic world). Intelligence is a concept relating to the "agility" of
a person's mind - how quickly they solve puzzles, how effectively they
relate bits of information together, how easily they form useful insights.
There are intelligent people who don't know very much, just as there are
knowledgeable people who aren't intelligent. Just as some athletes have
neural connections or patterns that allow them to hit a baseball going 90
mph or make their way through a crowd of guys trying to tackle them, some
people's brains are connected a bit more efficiently than others, thus
variations in intelligence.

BTW - I think that "I'm not book smart, but I'm street smart" is a thought
that folks of average intelligence and below-average knowledge like to tell
themselves for comfort. If you can't grasp the idea that your intelligence
a separate from your level of "book knowledge," chances are you're not that
street-smart.

"Genius means little more than the faculty of perceiving in an unhabitual
way." - William James

[Remi3270]

<< hell I've seen people
getting PhD's who don't know their elbows from their assholes >>

do you think they wipe their elbows by mistake ?

[Sampson sisters]

Post by Remi3270
<< hell I've seen people
getting PhD's who don't know their elbows from their assholes >>
do you think they wipe their elbows by mistake ?

JUST TOO FUNNY! LOLLLLLLL

[Vince McGowan]

Post by J.T.

Post by Future Tense
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score

to

Post by Future Tense
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

"Street smarts" is a poor man's euphamism for intelligence. Does nobody
recognize the distinction between "intelligence" and "knowledge?" Any
asshole can sit all day in a library or classrom and get knowledge.

If this were true, Jackie Jr would be a doctor now.

[J.T.]

Post by Vince McGowan

Post by J.T.
"Street smarts" is a poor man's euphamism for intelligence. Does nobody
recognize the distinction between "intelligence" and "knowledge?" Any
asshole can sit all day in a library or classrom and get knowledge.

If this were true, Jackie Jr would be a doctor now.

Uh, no . . . . Jackie Jr. took it upon himself to rob a mafia poker game,
kill a player, and wound a made guy. And just because it's possible to
learn a lot if you study all day doesn't mean that the average jerkoff is
going to put in the effort required. It's much more likely that a guy with
a smaller IQ is going to find some other way to make his living, owing to
the fact that it would take him twice as long to soak up the information
that a guy with a 150 IQ would take. There are limits - even if a guy with
a 90 IQ could study for years and get through medical school, you'd want
someone with a sharper intellect solving problems at the pace necessary in a
hospital. That's where intelligence -- mental agility -- comes in. It's no
different than a guy born big and strong being more helpful moving something
heavy - a smaller guy could probably manage to do it, but it would be easier
and more natural for the big guy.

[Mike]

Post by Future Tense
When Tony and Sac were negotiating the time and place they'd meet to
discuss the TonyB situation, Tony dismissed Sac's directive to meet him that
night by saying (paraphrase) "Yeah, right. I've got an IQ of 136, Jon. I've
been tested. There's no way I'm meeting you now".
Too funny.
I wonder what would be an accurate estimation of Tony's IQ?
Certainly his street-smarts, shrewdness, and cunning are highly
developed and would rate much greater than most, but his IQ?
IQ tests generally measure facets of intelligence that Tony may or may
not rank well. It's probably stretching it for him to claim an IQ of 136.
By the way, as far as I know, an IQ score of 135 is the minimum score to
be considered "highly gifted", yet not quite genius.

I think this was code for my phone isn't bugged, we can talk